12.5"

Motorized

&

Computer Controlled

AltAz Telescope


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Lessons learned after two years with the AltAz driven scope.


This was the second telescope that I built. I saw Mel Bartels' plans for the motorized dobsonian and knew I just had to build one of these - I knew it was the wave of the future!

The scope is a 12.5" F5.9 reflector with an AltAz (dobsonian-style) mount. I decided on a truss-tube design so that the scope could be disassembled to make transport a bit easier.

I began grinding the primary mirror during the summer of 1995. Grinding and polishing were completed within a few weeks. I used commercial polishing pads w/cerium oxide to speed up the polishing process. Final figuring was done with red optical rouge. The rouge gave a very smooth surface, but the stuff is really messy.

A pitch lap of Gugolz 64 was used on a dental plaster tool. The final surface figure as measured with a basic focault test and calculated by tex.exe was about 1/14 wave. Star testing has shown the mirror to be excellent (doesn't everyone say that?). Under good seeing, the scope yields razor sharp detail. Planetary contrast is quite good despite the fact that the optical system is 21% obstructed.

The mirror was shipped to P.A. Clausing where it received a Beral coating.

The 2.6"(MA) secondary mirror was interferogram tested at 0.122 wave P-V maximum error. The secondary support was fabricated from 3/8" wall fiber-resin tubing. A resistor bridge was glued to the back of the secondary (inside the holder) to provide heating for dew removal. The spider was totally fabricated from scratch and made from aluminum.

Birch plywood was used as the main construction material. The upper cage assy rings were cut out with a router to 14" inside diameter. Truss tubes are .055" wall 1" aluminum covered with foam pipe insulation. Clamp blocks for both the mirror box and upper cage were fabricated from hardwood maple.

The mirror cell frame was welded up from 1" box section steel tubing. The mirror support itself uses a 9 point floatation system on a 14.5" diameter birch backing plate. The backing plate is attached to the steel frame with three large adjustment screws. The adjustment screws pass through bushings in the box frame and are terminated with large "T" handles for easy collimation adjustments. Heavy duty die-springs are used to keep constant tension on the mirror cell backing plate.



Both the altitude and azimuth axis run on ball-bearing races instead of the usual teflon pads that are commonly used on dobsonian mounts. Ball bearings were chosen to minimize friction and to increase the accuracy of the stepper motor drive system.
The stepper motors are coupled to the drive wheels via hollow shafts with set screws. The set screws can be loosened to permit both axis of the scope to be disengaged from the drive motors.

Mel's AltAz software uses a common PC (a 486 notebook in my case) to directly control the stepper motors of each axis via the PC's parallel port.
Because the dobsonian style mount of the telescope is alt-az, both axis of the scope need to move at once in order to track an object across the sky. The computer constantly drives each stepper motor at the proper rate to maintain a fix on any RA/DEC position on the sky. In addition to tracking, the system also has "goto" slewing capability. A user programmable internal database can be used, or coordinates can be passed to the software from many of the commercially sold planetarium programs.

The full documentation on Mel's altaz scope control system can be found on this page. I originally chose Hurst stepper motors w/600:1 reduction gearboxes, which are of the same type used by Tech 2000 on their "dob-driver" product. The Hurst SAS series motors are available with a variety of reduction gear ratios and are 48 steps/rev. After a short time, I discovered (with a little help from Jerry Pinter) that the Hurst SAS series steppers had a serious flaw. Both Jerry and myself found that these motors had alternating FULL step sizes. In my case, I was measuring 5 deg for one step followed by 10 deg for the next step, followed by 5 degrees once again. In actual use, a wagging motion was seen in the eyepiece at high magnification as the drive went through a series of 10 small micro-steps, and then 10 larger micro-steps.

Jerry had mentioned that he had success with switching to another brand of stepper motor - which he mated to the original Hurst gearbox. I decided to try the same approach. I was fortunate enough to find a friend with 150:1 gearboxes that was willing to swap for my 600:1 units. I then purchased a set of AstroSyn 200 step/rev motors from C&H distributing for $20 each. In order to adapt the new motors to the Hurst gearboxes, I had to remove the rotor and shaft from the housing. I then put each shaft in a lathe and turned down the diameter to match the spur gears from the original Hurst motors. I allowed about .050" space between the motor and gearbox which I later filled with RTV and rubber washers to reduce vibration. The motors are now secured to the gearboxes with nylon screws.

Mel mentions in his documentation that he uses 5 volt motors and runs them on 12 or 24 volts in order to attain a higher maximum slew speed. I also used this approach with the original Hurst motors (which were 12v) by running them on 24 volts. The new AstroSyn motors are rated for 10 volts, but didn't like being run on 24 volts directly. During the speed ramp-up, the motor was hitting several speeds where a resonance was occuring. At these points, the motor would get very rough and would usually stall. I tried starting the ramp at a higher initial speed, but that didn't help. It was becoming obvious that the windings were simply drawing to much current during the ramp-up, so I was forced to drop the supply to 12 volts.

I was determined to get the new motors to run faster, so I tried installing a set of current limiting resistors in series with the motors. My calculated values for the limiting resistors weren't quite optimal at first, so I hooked up a decade resistor box and dialed in values until the motors smoothed out. With the resistors set to the proper value, the motors now run happily across their entire speed range on 24 volts, and the max slew speed that I can now attain is much higher. The scope is able to slew at about 1.8 degrees/second now. (with gearing that yields 0.23 arcsec/microstep resolution)


A small voltmeter enclosure is mounted on the base of the scope to monitor battery condition. Three switches are mounted on this enclosure to control power to the motor drive system, the primary mirror cooling fan, and the secondary mirror dew heater.
I have recently installed a heater on the telrad. Severe dewing at recent starparties was showing that something more than a passive dew-shield was needed. A switch on the upper cage was added to turn the telrad heater on and off.

The handpad unit for slewing control and alignment functions plugs into this same enclosure. The handpad cabling permits the laptop computer to be located approx 12 feet from the telescope.


A few people have asked me what the little black box was that the altitude stepper motor is plugged into. Well, there are actually two of those little black boxes - one for each motor. They each house a custom designed P.C. board for the drive electronics. I chose to split the drive circuitry for each axis so that the cabling between the motors and the drive transistors would be as short as possible.

If anyone is interested in making their own boards from the PCB artwork, you can download a gif file of the artwork here. I can provide additional information if you need it.

Here is a picture of the boards installed in the boxes...


ENCODERS

The addition of encoders to the scope make a significant improvement in pointing accuracy. The neatest feature made possible by the encoders is the ability of the mount to automatically return to the proper position and resume tracking if it gets disturbed or moved by accident. The 4000 count encoders are interfaced to the computer via a serial cable and David Lanes Micro guider III.


Here are some close-ups of various parts of the scope.
In the image directly above, you can see the 1/4 inch thick aluminum plate which is the driving surface for the azimuth axis roller.

The image to the right shows the altitude encoder mounting.
The mounting of the azimuth encoder is seen in the photo located at the top right in this group.

Also note the mirror cell design, in the picture to the above right, which incorporates a light baffle and mounting plate for the floatation triangles. The actual contact points to the back of the mirror are the heads of three nylon screws on each triangle


Lessons learned after two years with the AltAz driven scope.


Stepper Motors

Fast slewing speeds are highly desirable, for obvious reasons. When I first built this scope, I was getting less than 1 degree per second slew rates when running 12 volt motors on 12 volts. Any attempt to go faster resulted in a stalled rotor.

The usual procedure to get more speed is to run the steppers at 2x or 3x their rated voltage. It seems that this approach must have worked fine for some people, but in my case I ran into a major problem. The problem was rotor resonance which occurred at slow to medium speeds because the motor was being driven beyond its current limits.

My recent experience with high speed stepper drives for small CNC machine tools has revealed that resonance is a common problem when steppers are driven beyond their rated voltage if a current limited source if not used. The effect of rotor resonance is that the motor runs very rough and then stalls in the low to medium speed range, with the problem only getting worse if more voltage (and current) is applied.

If we limit current to a point less than the maximum ratings of the motor, resonance will not occur. As the speed of the motor increases, its effective impedance increases. In order to maintain a constant current, we need to dramatically increase the voltage across the motor windings as it spins faster.

There are several ways to accomplish this. The most efficient method would require a chopper drive to vary the duty cycle of a high voltage source in order to maintain the desired average current through the motor. It's important to note that Mels program allows you to tune the current drawn by the motors in microstep mode using this same technique. However, in half-step mode, we need to be able to sense current and then change the duty cycle on the fly. A fixed pulse width factor would not do us any good.

The quick and dirty fix is a series current limiting resistor for each motor. At slow motor speeds a large percentage of power is wasted and is dissipated by the limiting resistors. However, slow speeds in half-step mode are very brief and are only encountered during ramp-up and ramp-down modes. We can afford to be a little inefficient for these brief periods of time. The speed ramping is normally required in order to avoid slippage of the drive, or stalling problems that could occur if tried to instantly move the scope from a dead stop to full speed.

The actual value of the limiting resistors depends on several factors, which include the current and voltage ratings of the motor, and the voltage of the supply that we are going to use. In order to approach the highest speeds that are possible from most stepper motors, supply voltages of not less than 5x the voltage rating of the motor are required. It's not uncommon to see significant gains in maximum RPM with voltage levels as high as 10x that of the motor ratings. There is supposedly a general rule of thumb that doubling the supply voltage (within reasonable limits) will result in a 50% increase in the maximum speed that can be attained.

The resistance value of the series limiting resistor can be calculated with this equation:

  
                 Ro = ((Vs - Vd) - Vm) / Im

WHERE: Ro = Series resistor value in ohms.
       Vs = Motor coil supply voltage, larger than Vd + Vm.
       Vd = Voltage drop from transistor & diode, about 1 to 2 volt.
       Vm = Rated voltage for motor when stopped.
       Im = Rated current (amperes) for motor when stopped.

To calculate the peak wattage rating for the series resistor use the following equation:

                 Rw = ((Vs - Vd) - Vm) * Im

WHERE: Rw = Series resistor value in watts.
       Vs = Motor coil supply voltage larger than Vd + Vm.
       Vd = Voltage drop from transistor & diode, about 1 to 2 volt.
       Vm = Rated voltage for motor when stopped.
       Im = Rated current (amperes) for motor when stopped.

Vd is only significant when Vs is less than about 20 volts.

With this information in mind it becomes clear that stepper motors with very low voltage ratings (Vm) are highly desirable. It turns out there are many stepper motors available with voltage ratings of around 2 volts or less. There is a reason why these motors are designed with such low (locked-rotor) voltage ratings - it allows the use of a reasonably low supply voltage (Vs) to achieve a wide operating RPM range.

In an actual application with a 12 volt battery as a power source, the optimum stepper motor would have a voltage rating between 1.2 and 2.4 volts. If you are using motors with voltage ratings between 2.4 and 4.8 volts, then the best performance will probably be achieved by using two batteries in series for a supply voltage of 24 volts.

One good source of surplus stepping motors is C&H sales (800-325-9465). Here are two motors that are listed in their catalog that should provide outstanding speed and performance if current limited in the manner just described:

SLO-SYN #MA-61FS-80078 - rated at 1.4 vdc/3.9 amps per phase. C&H stock #SSM8954. Cost $25 each.

RAPIDSYN #23D-6106FA - rated at 3 vdc/1.5 amps per phase. C&H stock #SSM8504. Cost $30 each.

Both of these are NEMA 23 frame 8-lead motors, easily connected as a 6 lead.

The SLO-SYN motor, when powered with a 12 volt battery, would need a current limiting resistor of about 2.5 to 3.0 ohms. The calculated wattage rating would only be required for constant operation at very slow speeds, a condition that we normally don't have. A 10 to 15 watt rating should be adequate in our application.

The RAPIDSYN motor, when powered with two 12 volts batteries in series (24 volts) would require a current limiting resisitor of 13 to 15 ohms. Once again, a 10 watt rating should be sufficient.
When the motors are running at full speed in half-step mode, very little power is dissipated by the resistors - the vast majority is absorbed by the motors.

Running stepper motors at high voltages or using motors that have very low winding resistance can place heavy demands on the power output devices (darlington transistors) and the power supply/batteries. Be careful to not exceed the ratings of the devices. If in doubt, use multiple devices in parallel to increase current capacity, or use a different device with higher ratings.


Cabling and Wires

This is an area that deserves careful planning. Wires are very easy to trip over in the dark, even when you know they are there. If there will be people walking around your scope who don't know about the wires, you are almost guaranteed that people will trip over them. I've had my computer knocked to the ground, cables ripped out while the system is running (requiring a complete re-alignment of the scope) and lots of embarrassment and apologies.

Here as some of the things I've tried, plus some ideas that I plan to implement on the 20 inch scope.

1) Run all cables through a hole in the middle, or near the azimuth axis of the scope. If you have wires running to things directly on the side of the mount, you will have problems with wires getting tangled or pinched in the azimuth drive as the scope is moved in a complete circle. Running all cables through a hole in the bottom of the center of the scope will allow it to be turned several rotations without getting things all wound up.

2) Put all wires going to and from the scope in ONE harness. The fewer cables you have, the easier it is to keep them from being tripped over.

3) Keep this harness of wires a least 12 feet long. I personally feel that 18 feet is much better. If you cover the wires with carpet, people won't be able to trip over them as easily. A wide carpet if also much easier to see in the dark than a thin wire harness.

4) Keep the cable between the handpad and scope short enough that it won't drag on the ground. Put a hook somewhere on the side of the scope where you can hang the handpad when you aren't using it.
I made the mistake of running the handpad cable directly from the back of the computer with a separate and very long wire. I had nothing but trouble with this. Keep the handpad cable reasonably short, and run it directly to the side of the mount.

Don't underestimate the importance of keeping wires out of the way.


Gear reduction thoughts

Until recently, most people were using some type of gearbox in order to get the necessary gearing reduction.
Finding affordable gearboxes has been a problem for many folks, there doesn't really seem to be anything good that is much cheaper than about $150 each.

A problem with almost all gearboxes is that they have multiple gear mesh points, and therefore have noticeable amounts of backlash. Mel's software has backlash compensation built-in, but slop in the drive train can still cause problems. If the scope is used under breezy conditions, it may jostle around a bit. For visual use, it's just a minor annoyance, but if you are attempting any kind of imaging, you might have to wait for the wind to die down.

Ideally, we'd like to get rid of all the backlash. The only simple way that I know of to do this is with a 100% friction drive. In a permanently mounted instrument, it might be acceptable to have two or three large discs and rollers to yield the necessary total reduction ratio (something on the order of 2600:1 is needed for a 200 step/rev motor). For a scope that is intended to be portable, we probably only have room for one large driving disc or plate for each axis. What is needed is a friction drive that can give about 100:1 or 150:1 reduction in a very small package. At this time, I don't know of a design that would be suitable for this application. If anyone knows of a compact friction reducer that meets these criteria, I'd sure like to know more about it!

Although a bit of a compromise, I rather like the idea that Mel and several others have used which involves the use of a single worm and worm gear (only one gear mesh point). The wormgear then drives a friction roller to provide the final reduction. This approach seems like a major improvement over the standard gearbox. It may require the fabrication of a custom wormgear, but it would be simpler, tighter, and probably a lot quieter. Now that I own my own mill and indexing table, I plan to fabricate a pair of lightweight worm gears and use a similar approach on the 20" scope that I'm now working on.


Vibration and rigidity

Vibration problems can be caused by factors other than coarse gearing of the stepper motors. Even when geared for movement of only 0.25 arc seconds per microstep, serious vibration can occur and wreck any chance of getting a stable high-power view.

The biggest potential problem area for vibration I've found is the location of the altitude axis motor. This mounting point needs to be very rigid. If the side boards on your mount are even slightly flexible, you may have vibration problems that will be difficult to solve. The best way to avoid this problem is to design the mount with very low side boards that are at least 1.5 inches thick.

Even with a very rigid mounting point, it is still helpful to isolate the motor from the rest of the rest of the drive train with a slightly flexible coupling. It may also prove helpful to mount the motor itself on a very thin sheet of soft rubber, with the motor housing being secured by nylon screws.


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